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jcr4runner (February 12, 2008 at 11:00 pm)
I have done some reading on the Big Bang in A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking -- one of the people who popularized it.It's impossible according to physical models, but that is what the amount of dark matter left in the universe points to the Big Bang. It's an ex nihilo creation. That's what biblical inerrantists believe too -- the difference being that we see the necessity for a Creator who existed outside of time and space to be the first cause.
Jakemmx (February 12, 2008 at 1:55 am)
We don't really have a good mechanism at the moment (for the big bang at least, everything else is quite solid and is definitly not 'everything comming out of nothing') ... but it is very likely that it will end up being (essentially) an infinite loop or even just a small part of a bigger space. The only other explanation is even more impossible.
jcr4runner (February 11, 2008 at 10:51 pm)
Why is it not a physical impossibility for everything to come out of nothing?
Jakemmx (February 11, 2008 at 4:27 am)
"a physical impossibility"I would not go that far :)I do understand why people would think so though.
jcr4runner (February 11, 2008 at 4:23 am)
Yes, it's funny how spontaneous generation -- a physical impossibility -- is necessary in any naturalist biological model.At least at some point, life had to come into being out of non-life.
Jakemmx (February 11, 2008 at 2:58 am)
Old-Earth Creationists are at least not denying, and trying to disprove, a shockingly obvious FACT. I have no grudge against them, science does not have a terribly complete theory on abiogenisis at least.
jcr4runner (February 11, 2008 at 2:55 am)
How are your feelings on Old-Earth Creationists? Do you consider them to be fundamentalists too?Isn't it just your term of derision for evangelical Protestants in general?
Jakemmx (February 11, 2008 at 2:45 am)
I consider any young-earth Christians, among other things, to be fundamentalist. You're definition may be different, but you can't claim these people are not supported. Look at the polls.
jcr4runner (February 11, 2008 at 2:39 am)
The difference is that fundamentlists interpret the whole Bible and Christianity through the grid of those five truths. We all agree that these are true so we don't think it's "dangerous." But I'd argue that fundamentalists limit the Gospel because they don't see the whole picture. But as I said before, I've never met a Christian who called himself a fundamentalist, so I don't know why liberals go on perpetuating the myth.
Jakemmx (February 11, 2008 at 2:13 am)
The first one is that thebible is TOTALLY without error. (just that is dangerous enough...)The others are about jesus dying, intentionally, on the cross ... virgin birth (and that jesus is a diety) ... the ressurection ... and some other one (thought it had something to do with the miracles).Most christians do not call themselves 'fundamentalists', but many/most of them agree with or support the ideas that thos people push (even if they don't support the people themselves) |