dynagravitomagnetic (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@parisfr12 Karl Marx explains in Das Kapital that the subversion of industry is the equivalent of slavery. He is a genius, but since the media in all its many forms is the exclusive domain of the opulent fraction of society, well, you get the picture. How many idiots in a village of a thousand does it take to poison the water supply?

parisfr12 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Erobeashema My proble is that i do not appreciate people lying and use name and theories fallaciously for their own purpose. And that is the case here. You are using Hegel's name and made him say something that he never said! that's all! i just think that this is not fair.

Erobeashema (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

This idea is still easily real and understood even if it isn't your version of the definition. -Dave-

deathtokoalas (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i'm not going to comment on the contents of the actual video, but the link to the hegelian dialectic is completely valid and doesn't require an argument to demonstrate. it's practically literal. if you need an argument, read some early (before 1975) antony sutton texts. i believe he's ultimately the source.

Erobeashema (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Please teach us more.

parisfr12 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

hey guys....just wake up. don't use hegel to what is convenient to your ideology. Hegel has nothing to do with "problem-reaction-solution". This process is completely linear, whereas hegel's thought is different. Just read some K.Marx..he explains how it works.

Erobeashema (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Great post. I like it and will look more into it. However, what this video represents is also true, but perhaps not what Hegel meant in his philosophy. It frightens me to say, but I personally used this technique subconsciously on a friend once (on a much smaller not physical but mental scale) and didn't even know I was doing it until I learned about this. Manipulation in any form scares me.

xaoslegend (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

In this video you're just talking about staged disasters to manipulate the public, here the lesson might be that terrorist violence is introduced, so we turn to figures of order and authority in the short term, In the long term we accept that random violence can occur and adapt our expectations and strategies to prevent the random violence and become more open to using mass violence against our enemies (eg cluster bombs).

xaoslegend (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

then there is a reaction to that problem that is the opposite of the problem (Eg if a populist libertarian movement swells the powers that be are likely to become more elitist and fascistic than ever) The synthesis is then the environment taking in the lessons of the problem and finding a compromise between the new and the old creating a unique product.

xaoslegend (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

This is an interesting creation however is it really reflecting what Hegel was talking about with problem solution synthesis? Hegel seems to say that the problem is some change to an environment (This can be good or bad its subjective, but its new regardless)